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I am doing a cycle soon because I lost 12 lb. due to an illness and haven’t been able to even go back to were I was, I will be using Deca, Winstrol v and Andriol.
What dosages and pattern do you suggest and which one of these would be the best choice to taper?

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I’d leave off the Andriol (oral testosterone undecanoate) because it is not very effective at anything besides promoting hair loss and acne. Well, sometimes it can be effective in promoting erections, but that probably is not an issue. Let’s hope not, anyway.

Winstrol and Deca are a logical combination because nandrolone (Deca Durabolin) is effective at the androgen receptor and stanozolol (Winstrol) is effective in non-AR mediated mechanisms. Furthermore, stanozolol binds to the progesterone receptor but is not progestogenic, whereas nandrolone is progestogenic. Thus, Winstrol may very well block the progestogenic effect of Deca that can lead to bloating, gyno, and/or impotence.

I really should have realized this before, since I had reports of this combination working very well. But somehow I had not realized the rather obvious reason above for why Deca would show less side effects when Winstrol is used.

On the same subject, while it is true that nandrolone can aromatize and does aromatize to some extent, the usual claim that it aromatizes a great deal is not true. The progestogenic effects are mistakenly being called estrogenic effects.

Two pieces of evidence support this:

1) One study found that Deca at both 100 mg/week and 300 mg/week actually reduced serum estradiol levels by about 65% compared to starting values. This presumably is a consequence of the reduction in testosterone, which was by a comparable percentage, and with little nandrolone being converted to estrogen.

2) On a Deca-only cycle, Clomid is reported not to block bloating.

3) High levels of progesterone kill sex drive, and this problem has been observed with Deca. While it does not “convert” to progesterone, it acts like that hormone at the progesterone receptor. So, how to use the Deca and Winstrol? Why not try 800 mg Deca on the first injection, and then 400 mg once per week after that for four to six weeks, and use 50 mg/day Winstrol. It could then be continued at 50 mg/day for another two weeks, since there is still plenty of Deca in the system to promote gains and also to make recovery impractical anyway, and then reduced to 50 mg every other day in order to allow recovery.

The Winstrol can be injected with an insulin needle, which makes daily administrations of 1 cc quick, easy, and not unpleasant. Obviously, a muscle is chosen which has very little fat over it, and a location where you know there is no nerve, from knowledge of anatomy.

The other option, which might be superior, would be to continue at 50 mg/day but switch to taking the Winstrol V orally in the morning. Let me stress that I know only of use of the tablets at that dose, but in principle there is no reason why the injectable could not be used in the same manner. Anything that is pure enough for injection is most certainly pure enough to use orally.

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